Cornelius says, "hello albert"
James_M arrives from Agora
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: lol
Elijah greets Jim.
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Does the context of Albert's experiments effect their results to a significant degree?
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Do not expect any actions from me.
James_M sits down at Left Table. . .
guest arrives from Agora
James_M [to others at Left Table]: hello"
Elijah emotes weird vibes at rachel to distract her
Christina arrives from Agora
James_M wonders what is going on
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: I am not too sure about that, Scott....
Micah drops smoking trout.
Elijah shreds little bits of paper idly.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Hi I have started the log and will now post the question: One might say that the men in the excrpts play more than the owmen. Do you think that play in CMC is gendered and if so, in what ways?
Micah sits down at Left Table. . .
James_M commences playing
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: That's a loaded question if I ever heard one.
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: I am finding these class experiences interesting, but they change so much with each class.
Christina sits down at Right Table. . .
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: gendered because of the way that the genders look at technology? the social stigma of being a woman who can 'do' technology?
guest sits down at Right Table. . .
James_M continues playing
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Wow! Yes, that is a loaded question.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i love loaded questions.
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Or gendered because stereotypically men are more apt to speak out, to speak first?
Cornelius waves to the people at the table
Christina nothing leaves for the Agora.
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Maybe it has something to do with the topic at hand. I mean think about it, the topic is T2.
Scotto waves to Dr. Cornelius.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: sorry, that's women.
Mara whispers, "hello, Al"
James_M [to others at Left Table]: The good doctor is here
Cornelius says, "sit down left table"
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: The women get involved in this conversation about feminism, which tends to be an "emotional" topic. Maybe that is why they do not play as much as the men.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Actually I was thinking about how Eric talked about his playing around with his students the other day. It seemed that some of his actions were possible due to being a man. Maybe not . . .
Scotto I have a hard time answering that question because it assumes the examples we saw are representative of the majority, which of course they are not.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: not sure. t2 is kind of a mushy, sentimental movie hiding under that masculine frame... i mean, think about it, the guy comes back to make sure that a kid has a chance to grow up... in the first movie, it was all about giving the kid a chance to be born. not very exciting, plot-wise, according to the assumed standards of an action film.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: [meta] this conversation is certainly going better than our first ones did.
Albertoid stands up from Left Table. . .

Albertoid sits down at Right Table. . .
Eric-F [to others at Right Table]: oh oh, ablert's coming
Eric-F [to others at Right Table]: yikes
Michele-P [to others at Right Table]: Albertoid is here. Play noice, boys
Eric-F shakes Albertoid's hand
guest [to others at Right Table]: hmm, ask me a question only Mike would be able to answer
Eric-F [to others at Right Table]: howdy
Eric-F flogs the guest
Albertoid [to others at Right Table]: Here's the same question I gave the other table: One might say that the men in the excrpts play more than the women. Do you think that play in CMC is gendered and if so, in what ways?
Anthony-V [to others at Right Table]: Micah, go to your table
Michele-P [to others at Right Table]: ask Micah what hangs on his bedrrom wall
Eric-F [to others at Right Table]: hmmmm good question
Michele-P [to others at Right Table]: I think that play is still based on that whole exttrovert, introvert thing. And who can type fast
Cornelius sits down at Left Table. . .
Mara sits down at Left Table. . .
Marnie [to others at Right Table]: It's more than typing fast, Michele
Eric-F agrees with Michele
Albertoid [to others at Right Table]: I also said that Eric's talking about playing around with his students prompted me to think about how this is tied with a male position or not.
Michele-P [to others at Right Table]: I am not touching that one, ALbertoid
Eric-F starts looking at himself more introspectively
Anthony-V I think that play may be gendered. When thinking of Creative Writing, I've always thought of stories as more playfull than poetry
Eric-F discovers he is a boy
Michele-P [to others at Right Table]: You are so off Eric.
Micah picks up smoking trout.
Albertoid [to others at Right Table]: I gotta head back to the other table. Carry on!
Eric-F [to others at Right Table]: I am a BOY!!
Albertoid stands up from Right Table. . .

Albertoid sits down at Left Table. . .
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: hello albert
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: How's it going here?
Mara [to others at Left Table]: hi elijah and whoever else is at the left table
James_M [to others at Left Table]: I think it is interesting that play has rules to follow--and that goes for gender too. Who makes the rules or where they come from is an interesting question
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: I think it has to do with gender Scott, not necessarily authority.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Hi Mara, nice to see you here!
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: hello Mara, I can't see you
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: so, rachel, women are automatically sexualized? maybe women should say things like that so that they'll convince men and other women not to assume that everything about the female gender is reducible to the physical/sexual/bodily.
Elijah ducks to try to stay out of trouble
James_M throws his computer at elijah
Elijah cheers james_m
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: True, Rachel. But that assumes stereotypical responses. Can we do that or should we look at classes in a qualitative way rather than quantitative, i.e. individual unto themselves and not necessarily subject to stereotypes.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: jeers?
Elijah dines on smoking trout
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: elijah, that seems to put the responsibility on women.
James_M smoking trout?
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Easier said than done, Elijah. I mean think about it. If you had a beautiful instructor and she said she was talking to you in her pajamas, you would not try and imagine that?
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: neil, i think the responsibility goes both ways... i don't mean to reduce it to one side of the issue. :)
You whisper, "M, here's the question if you missed it--One might say that the men in the excrpts play more than the women. Do you think that play in CMC is gendered and if so, in what ways?" to Mara.
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Or, as teachers, must we assume the stereotypes apply and adapt/restrict our teaching appropriately?
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: men are responsible for not behaving like sexist pigs.
Mara whispers, "thanks, Al"
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: However, I will admit, I would probably do the same thing for a male instructor. I do not know, it just seems like women are sexualized more. Look at all the ads.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i seem to be talking a lot. *chuckle*
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Elijah, but do we ASSUME such sexism thus prevent the opportunity for it to arise?
Scotto scratches his chin, thoughtfully.
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Scott, I agree with you. I think we should deal with our classes on an individual basis. The dynamics of each class changes every quarter according to who is in the class, what time of the day the class takes place, what room the class is in, and what quarter we are in.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: It seems that the playfulness of the men in the rouzie article is not about sexualizing the women, but there are power moves.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i think the primary problem with the pajama statement is that it interferes with our ideas about what is part of publicly sharable knowledge versus what is meant to stay private. it irritates me to no end that men can get away with things that women can't. and i'm a guy, for chrissakes.
Mara [to others at Left Table]: I'm not sure the pajama thing is appropriate for
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: And vice versa, Elijah.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: where does play come into all this?
Mara [to others at Left Table]: for men or women.
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: I agree Mara.
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: It's important to remember, as someone mentioned earlier, that responsibility goes both ways.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: good point, albertoid - but what happens when we try to join that public conversation to our lived lives? i think play is the thing that lets us mess around with boundaries.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: are we saying men and women have a responsibility to play fairly
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Nice point, ol boy. Where are the boundaries in such discussions and should we even create any?
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: James, this seems to make some sense
Scotto smacks Elijah on the back.
Mara [to others at Left Table]: yes, jim, this is where responsibility comes in.
guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove guest.
guest stands up from Right Table. . .
James_M [to others at Left Table]: is housekeeper a man or woman?
Micah picks up marbles.
Scotto puts feet up on guest's chair.
James_M does a lap around the table, sits down
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: yes, men and women can play together in their pajamas
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: problem there, though, scotto, is that men get away with more offensive crap (from a purely democratic, fairness POV) than women seem to... women have some slightly different things that they can use to take advantage of (at least according to our society's set-up) but i wouldn't dare argue that they're any mor eo rless important :)
James_M [to others at Left Table]: but do responsibility and play go together?
Elijah chuckles at cornelius's comment
Michael-D arrives from Agora
James_M throws pizza at Michael-D
Michael-D sits down at Right Table. . .
Elijah sits still and gasps for breath from all his talking
Micah [to others at Left Table]: rolls marbles on floor"
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Hi MD!
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Yes, but what we, as women, tend to get away with, we get away with it based on our looks.
Mara [to others at Left Table]: there's definitely such a thing as responsible play and irresponsible play
James_M [to others at Left Table]: and work too?
Elijah drops marbles.
Elijah picks up webtest.
James_M does a lap around table, slips on marbles, sues elijah
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: hee hee hee
James_M [to others at Left Table]: micah where are you?
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: so what were we talking about? play? you know, back before our gender tangent came up.
Micah [to others at Left Table]: right here"
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: I'm interested in the idea of responsible work, jim
Micah [to others at Left Table]: observing"
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Maybe men get away with being offensive more because it has been understood for so long that men have the upper hand. If women try to be offensive, we are either homosexual, feminazis, or trying to be men.
Mara [to others at Left Table]: I would think that distinguishing between responsible and irresponsible play depends on Cooper's concept of responsiveness
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Micah's at O'Hooleys.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: I guess this raises the distinction between responsibility and transgression, since play often involves transgression,how does that relate to responsibility?
Albertoid scratches his head and ponders.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: games have rules, or they are no fun. but sometimes they are no fun anyway
Mara [to others at Left Table]: so true, jim
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Mara explain that porfavor
Scotto For play to be responsible it must have boundaries. Once it has boundaries it becomes less play and more work.
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: I would seem incrediblzyacademic to say that it is our responsibility to trasgress
James_M [to others at Left Table]: it depends on who you're playing with, why you're playing, etc?
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: sorry about my spelling
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: would you say that responsibility governs play? it seems to me that part of play *is* responsibilty and an awareness of where the boundaries on behavior are.
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: Jim, that's true and I tried to argue in the article that emergent improvised play has rules also--they just emerge through the interactions.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: that's OK Dr. C
Scotto takes Micah's wet blanket, snaps it back at him.
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: True James. One of the things I kept thinking about when reading this article is the idea of learning from play. If we print up the play that took place online and turn it into a learning experience, are we then not turning play into work?
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i detest the word emergent. *dislikes rupert sheldrake's work*
James_M [to others at Left Table]: perhaps we are converting play into work, but isn't that what professional sports do too?
Mara [to others at Left Table]: I love the word emergent
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: albert said underdetermined in his article
Scotto Interesting, Rachel. I guess it depends on your defintion of play and work.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: pro athletes get millions of dollars to work/play. someone must take them seriously
James_M [to others at Left Table]: what about academics?
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: True. I suppose once competition is involved, play may no longer be just play.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: underdetermined is a funny word. so underdetermined, doncha think? :)
Micah stands up from Left Table. . .
Christina arrives from Agora
Micah sits down at Right Table. . .
Scotto Reading Walter Pater's philosophy of art is "play" to me, but I doubt to many others.
Christina sits down at Right Table. . .
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: So then we are supposed to define play and work to our students?
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: i don't want to play with scotto if i have to read pater
Scotto grabs Micah by his beard and whips him about the room.
Micah stands up from Right Table. . .
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: lol Neil
Micah sits down at Left Table. . .
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: hee.
Albertoid loves the word emergent.
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: and underdetermined
Elijah wonders why people like emergent as a word.
James_M suddenly turns out the lights
Elijah is rankled by the thought.
Micah [to others at Left Table]: supercalifragilisticexpealidocious"
Elijah is blind now!
James_M [to others at Left Table]: ha!
Elijah tries to think of something *really* shocking but inoffensive to do.
Albertoid thinks he likes the concepts more than the words.
Mara [to others at Left Table]: i like emergent as a concept
James_M wonders what is going on
Cornelius lifts head from desk, a string of drool connects to the desk
Scotto puts Micah in a full nelson to shut him up.
Albertoid whisper "are yous till here?" to Mara
Mara wonders too
James_M calls the police
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: I think it is all about balance. The conversations in Albert's article, the online chats, and what happens in our classroom ... there needs to be a balnace between work and play.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i do too, mara, but it depends on how far people choose to carry the idea. seen a few that take it to the extreme, and that's creepy. :)
Scotto hears Albertoid whisper and says, "shhhhhh"
Elijah sits in a half-lotus on the floor and chants, "ommmmmmmmm..."
Micah [to others at Left Table]: hmmmmmmm
James_M gives Elijah a copy of Walter Pater to read for fun
Mara [to others at Left Table]: I want to hear more about the emergent extremes, Elijah. Wanna meet me at the beanbag sometime?
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Is it the teacher's role to maintain/guide that balance?
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Oops, balance
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: lol
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: About turning play into work. I think that is in a way correct, since you get students to work/play in coversation and then you get them to work with it, which is, yes, work. The important thing istp put them in relation.
Elijah reads pater.
James_M [to others at Left Table]: do you like it, Elijah?
Scotto takes Pater from Elijah, "You're not worthy."
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: sure mara, we can talk about emergent stuff sometime later :)
Rachel-BR [to others at Left Table]: Scott, yes, I think it is our responsibility to maintain/guide that balance, but I feel if the balance is good, it will happen naturally.
Elijah [to others at Left Table]: i don't know who pater is. i'm guessing its something scary, though. :)
Mara whispers, "I scratch your head and you coo"
Albertoid [to others at Left Table]: it's getting close to the pumpkin hour, so let's wind this up and log out. Good discussion!
Micah considers the class issues of leisure and pleasure
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: Ahhh, now we're back to context of the classroom.
Scotto takes pumpkins and makes a pie.
Cornelius [to others at Left Table]: good bye
James_M [to others at Left Table]: In response to something Albertoid said in our face to face conversation--science does have play. Think about the physicists who came up with the names--quarks with spins of up down, charmed, etc.
Micah wonders if class affects play more than we all think
Elijah drops pumpkin.
Scotto throws pie at Albertoid.
Cornelius bows and backs out of the room
Micah leaves quietly
Mara has disconnected.
Cornelius has disconnected.
Micah has disconnected.
Elijah has disconnected.
James_M stands up from Left Table. . .
Rachel-BR has disconnected.
James_M says, "is anyone still here?"
Anthony-V has disconnected.
Scotto [to others at Left Table]: It's off to the bottle we go, to raise our hearts, and drown our woes....
Marnie has disconnected.
Michele-P has disconnected.
Eric-F has disconnected.
Scotto has disconnected.
James_M says, "don't leave guys!"
James_M says, "i don't want to go back!"
Christina has disconnected.
James_M says, "how do you log out?"
Michael-D has disconnected.
James_M has disconnected.